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Re:

Have you checked the company's site? They usually give multi-version pdfs (PC & Mac in the same pdf)...

Problem with Cakewalk Pro Audio 8 cut+paste

I do all my synth programming using piano roll, with everything set to snap to the grid and measure. My problem is, that when I cut and paste measures, it sometimes (almost reandomly) snaps to the proper measure, but the notes are more often then not a TINY bit off the grid and have to be manually pulled back to the grid with the mouse. If I don't, the timing of the notes suddenly goes a little off when it jumps to the new measure that I had just cut and pasted. Has any of you had this problem and dealt with it successfully or am I the only one ?

I have noticed that it also tends to do this if I copy then paste a measure if I set the thing for more than four repeats. Say I copy an entire measure..then I copy.. and paste in 20 repeats of that measure into the same line.. what will happen is.. the first four will come out with the notes aligned properly to the grid.. but on like the fourth or eight measure.. the notes go off the grid a TINY bit.. almost in between the two grid lines.. and the rythm goes off..

Okay. If anyone knows how to remedy this, it will be a big help as I am trying to get music ready for a demo CD and this problem is driving me buggy !! Is this a bug in Cakewalk ?

Re:

Are you sure your playing Tempo match exactly the Cakewalk tempo?
Its a general rule that Cakewalk will follow its own way regarding timing. Consider upgrading to Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 or Sonar...

Re:

I am positive that the playing tempo is set to match exactly the Cakewalk tempo. The problem isnt with the tempo. It's something with the actual cutting and pasting of the measures. The notes on the piano roll PHYSICALLY go off the grid just a tiny bit after about 4 or 8 reppetitions. I don't play in the notes from the keyboard as I have terrible carpal tunnel syndrome and can't play anymore. I place them with the mouse so by all means.. the ones I place actually snap to the grid. It's just when I cut and paste that SOME of the measures at random.. seem to go off the grid just a tad.

: Are you sure your playing Tempo match exactly the Cakewalk tempo?
: Its a general rule that Cakewalk will follow its own way regarding timing. Consider upgrading to Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 or Sonar...

ME THE DUMB III

Hi there.. I was wondering .. You told me that to raise the vocals to just hear the vocals, it's possible. Here's my question, how come you can't lower the vocals so that you just hear the music? Also, I was wondering if you can send me a sample of a song that you've done in Cool Edit or anything else to raise the vocals. I can't seem to separate the vocals and the music with the filters. Please email it to me at DIMANNO_DNOTE@HOTMAIL.COM. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks so far. Brian

ME THE DUMB III

Hi there.. I was wondering .. You told me that to raise the vocals to just hear the vocals, it's possible. Here's my question, how come you can't lower the vocals so that you just hear the music? Also, I was wondering if you can send me a sample of a song that you've done in Cool Edit or anything else to raise the vocals. I can't seem to separate the vocals and the music with the filters. Please email it to me at DIMANNO_DNOTE@HOTMAIL.COM. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks so far. Brian

There is no...

..complete way to remove vocals from a stereo mix as there are toooo many corresponding frequencies to be able to pick and choose between the different instruments. The vocal will occupy a large bandwidth that is also used by many other instruments in a mix and if you remove the whole bandwidth that the vocal occupies, then you will remove almost all the music too. You can't remove one thing without removing other things in the same way you can't seperate the sugar from a cake that has already been made without ruining the cake.... get it?

Other than being really lucky with a particular song (rare), there is NO WAY you can actually achieve what you are trying to achieve. Try some of the Karaoke programs on this site and find out how badly they are working at the moment. Other than that, use some filtering and see if you can learn a little about eq whilst your there.

Steve...R

Re: There is no...

: ..complete way to remove vocals from a stereo mix as there are toooo many corresponding frequencies to be able to pick and choose between the different instruments. The vocal will occupy a large bandwidth that is also used by many other instruments in a mix and if you remove the whole bandwidth that the vocal occupies, then you will remove almost all the music too. You can't remove one thing without removing other things in the same way you can't seperate the sugar from a cake that has already been made without ruining the cake.... get it?

: Other than being really lucky with a particular song (rare), there is NO WAY you can actually achieve what you are trying to achieve. Try some of the Karaoke programs on this site and find out how badly they are working at the moment. Other than that, use some filtering and see if you can learn a little about eq whilst your there.

: Steve...R

The reason why I am sending a message to Me The Dumb III is because he said he knows how to raise the vocals on a track so that you can hear just the vocals. He said to ignore anyone who says you CAN'T do it. Brian

Okay...

I read the original thread.

MTD-III is a good bloke that comes here from time to time (not often enough...) to help people out and has proved that he knows lots about a lot of things. He knows also that the whole problem with removing large bandwidths from 'a' large bandwidth without effecting the remaining bandwidth is impossible at this time.

His remarks on Band pass Eq's are good to help you understand what removing a bandwidth is all about and it's good to experiment but don't be under the impression that eq filtering at any level will solve your problem. It may help, but it wont work....

Nuff said

Steve....R

please help :error msg when i try to play mp3s

hi i would like to know how to download mp3s successfully i have the software winamp and i can get 1 or 2 mp3s but most of the time the error msg locate wnn3.exe comes up and it wont play the mp3 also i would like to know how to put mp3s on to a cdr please help i will appriciate it very much

Re:

Try reinstalling winamp & while installing goto its options and associate mp3s with the prog.
There are a number of things you (or another prog) might have done to get this error message, try to retrace your actions...

Lime Wire

I have one question
Why does it take so long to get a connection to
Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
the music? I guess thats two questions)
What can I do to speed up the download time?
Anyone know?

Thanks

70's music and todays music

: I have one question
: Why does it take so long to get a connection to
: Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
: the music? I guess thats two questions)
: What can I do to speed up the download time?
: Anyone know?

: Thanks

Re: Lime Wire

: I have one question
: Why does it take so long to get a connection to
: Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
: the music? I guess thats two questions)
: What can I do to speed up the download time?
: Anyone know?

: Thanks
STARTUP ERROR

LimeWire version 2.2.2 or above java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.limegroup.gnutella.util.CommonUtils

Java version 1.3.1_03 from Sun Microsystems Inc.

Windows 2000 v. 5.1 on x86

Free/total memory: 3699528/4128768

java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/java/util/collections/Comparable

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)

at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)

at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.SettingsManager.loadDefaults(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.SettingsManager.<init>(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.SettingsManager.<clinit>(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.gui.ResourceManager.loadResources(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.gui.ResourceManager.<clinit>(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.gui.Initializer.initialize(Unknown Source)

at com.limegroup.gnutella.gui.Main.main(Unknown Source)

at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Native Method)

at RunLime.main(RunLime.java:77)

-- listing properties --

TIMEOUT=8000

FILTER_HTML=false

SESSIONS=15

COUNTRY=

MAX_LENGTH=65536

ACCEPT_AUTHENTICATED_CONNECTIONS_ONLY=false

AVERAGE_UPTIME=3631

SEARCH_LIMIT=64

MINIMUM_SEARCH_SPEED=350

SHOPPING_VIEW_ENABLED=true

CLEAR_UPLOAD=true

APP_HEIGHT=600

ALLOW_BROWSER=false

BASIC_QUERY_INFO=1000

USE_QUICK_CONNECT=true

MAX_SIM_DOWNLOAD=50

BROWSER=netscape

MAX_UPLOAD_BYTES_PER_SEC=1

INCOMPLETE_PURGE_TIME=7

AD_VERSION=1.0

FILTER_GREEDY_QUERIES=true

MAX_SHIELDED_CLIENT_CONNECTIONS=75

FREELOADER_ALLOWED=34

FREELOADER_FILES=1

TTL=7

FORCED_PORT=6346

BLACK_LISTED_IP_ADDRESSES=

FILTER_DUPLICATES=true

EVER_SUPERNODE_CAPABLE=false

CONNECT_OK_STRING=GNUTELLA OK

CONNECT_STRING=GNUTELLA CONNECT/0.4

PROMPT_EXE_DOWNLOAD=true

SOFT_MAX_TTL=7

SHUTDOWN_AFTER_TRANSFERS=false

WINDOW_Y=84

WINDOW_X=92

SERVANT_TYPE=XML_CLIENT

MINIMIZE_TO_TRAY=true

EVER_ACCEPTED_INCOMING=false

SOFT_MAX_UPLOADS=1

EXTENSIONS_TO_SEARCH_FOR=html;htm;xml;txt;pdf;ps;rtf;doc;tex;m...

ADVANCED_QUERY_INFO=50

FORCE_SUPERNODE_MODE=false

CLASSPATH=LimeWire.jar

DIRECTORIES_TO_SEARCH_FOR_FILES=C:\Program Files\LimeWire\Shared;

FILTER_ADULT=false

PLAYER_ENABLED=true

PARALLEL_SEARCH=50

FORCED_IP_ADDRESS_STRING=0.0.0.0

LIBRARY_VIEW_ENABLED=true

MAX_TTL=16

FILTER_VBS=true

FORCE_IP_ADDRESS=false

INSTALLED=true

CONNECTION_SPEED=350

CLEAR_DOWNLOAD=true

PERSISTENT_HTTP_CONNECTION_TIMEOUT=15000

MAX_DOWNLOAD_BYTES_PER_SEC=6

APP_WIDTH=840

MIN_SHIELDED_CLIENT_CONNECTIONS=4

SERVER=false

BANNED_WORDS=

FILTER_HIGHBIT_QUERIES=true

RUN_ONCE=false

COOKIES_FILE=lib\Cookies.dat

MINIMUM_SEARCH_QAULITY=3

PORT=6346

KEEP_ALIVE=4

DISABLE_SUPERNODE_MODE=false

DIRECTORY_FOR_SAVING_FILES=C:\Program Files\LimeWire\Shared

CONNECT_ON_STARTUP=true

JAR_NAME=LimeWire.jar

MONITOR_VIEW_ENABLED=true

CLIENT_ID=F30912FE9C9BF387FFDB117FD0860F00

QUICK_CONNECT_HOSTS=router.limewire.com:6346;connect1.gnu...

LAST_EXPIRE_TIME=1021520666076

UPLOAD_SPEED=25

CHECK_AGAIN=true

TOTAL_UPTIME=54466

MAX_UPLOADS=1

UPLOADS_PER_PERSON=1

CHAT_ENABLED=true

CONNECTION_VIEW_ENABLED=true

LANGUAGE=

Re: Lime Wire

: I have one question well i dont know
: Why does it take so long to get a connection to
: Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
: the music? I guess thats two questions)
: What can I do to speed up the download time?
: Anyone know?

: Thanks

Re: Lime Wire

how do I download it?

Re: Lime Wire

: I have one question
: Why does it take so long to get a connection to
: Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
: the music? I guess thats two questions)
: What can I do to speed up the download time?
: Anyone know?

: Thanks

Re: Lime Wire

: : I have one question
: : Why does it take so long to get a connection to
: : Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
: : the music? I guess thats two questions)
: : What can I do to speed up the download time?
: : Anyone know?

: : Thanks

::i have a question how do you get the music to come up?i cant get it to come.help pleasee!thanks

Re: Lime Wire

want to cancel limewire services thank you merry x_mas

Moan...

I moaned about Limewire when I first used it on the mac although I realised that booting it up and then waiting about 10 minutes was a great move. I usually get a slow download although there are times where I will get 60-65k a second on my cable modem from some users. It's pot luck but still worth waiting around for the right connection.

Steve...R

Re: Lime Wire

If I remember correctly, Limewire is based on Gnutella. Gnutella is a distributed system of file-sharing. Unlike Napster which uses a central server, with Limewire you end up searching for a close node to connect to. Even so, that node might be handling a lot of traffic. That's my take on it.

To get a faster download: get a T1 line, only download from people with high-bandwidth connections. Just be patient!

Lisa

: I have one question
: Why does it take so long to get a connection to
: Lime Wire, then why does it take so long to download
: the music? I guess thats two questions)
: What can I do to speed up the download time?
: Anyone know?

: Thanks

cutting edge music for download

music for a chase scene in a film made by the robots
who have taken over the earth in the year 4000.
fast-paced minimal industrial rhythms galore !

http://www.traxinspace.com/Music/Songs/Download.asp?SongID=58993

fruityloops guy seeks mac equivalent tracker type program

hi, I use fruityloops on pc, as you probably know its not on mac, I am looking to change over to mac real soon, but I would like to find a program and try it out before i do. It needs to be a tracker style program, supports some sort of fx, has delays and panning, can export samples or full tracks as aif/wav, and if possible will have multiple outs to a desk so I can mix smaples etc separately on different channels (fruityloops doesn't do this, but mac might havesomething up its sleeve??) im buying the new ibook with 256ram and considering the motu 828 soundcard for firewire (8in 8out)please help
sincerely ben Frost

....

Someone asked this recently and I only jumped in because nobody else has. I am not aware of any Fruityloops level apps for the mac although there is Phrazer (never used it) that comes from a good software house. You could look into DAW programs like Cubase or Logic as although they don't automatically match timing etc, they can properly support multi level Fx and audio interface routing as well as the ability to plug in soft synths like reason or the 'Amazing' mac only "Absynth".

Good Luck...

Steve...R

Reason Sound Bank

Reason Sound Bank

This popular thread has been given its own page : Reason Sound Bank

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Re: LOOK!

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TELEPHONE TO MP3

Hello,

Do anyone know similar software wit source code available?
http://www.modemspy.com

Dave

mp3 to cda converter

having trouble converting mp3 to cda. when i do this so i can play downloaded songs on my stereo (its about 5 years old)it doesn't work (using cd master). Can someone tell me what im doing wrong and inform of a good, free mp3 to cda converter that i can download off the net.

Re:

There are many mp3 to wav converters (some of them are free), you must remember to use Disk At Once (see CD writer's options) when writing CDs to make sure the CD will work on any CD Player. I got an 9 year old CD player that plays every CD I burn (some CD players need special cleaning operation though)...

Re: mp3 to cda converter

The most probable cause is that the CD player in your stereo is too old. CD-R and CD-RW discs don't reflect laser light as much as music CD's bought in the shop. Older players can't read CD-R's because insufficient light is reflected back. Try them on a newer CD player to see if they work. If they do, it's definitely your stereo that's the problem.

Andy

remix - TAKE OUT VOCALS

i am desperatly trying to find a program to take out vocals from a song and add them to another
or anything like that
or move around instruments
ANYTHING
anyone have any ideas?
thanx in advance

Justin
mercuryrsng@yahoo.com

Re:

No karaoke prog will take off the vocal part in a high quality way from a stereo track. It will take some time, but if I find anything good I'll notify you...

Can two Sound sards work on the same Computer?

Hello everyone
I have installed a second sound cards so I can have two channels.One for communicating online with Roger Wilco and the other for having Flight simulator sound in the background.The maim sound card is a Creative awe64 soundblaster and the other is a AdLib MSC 16 PnP V3SB but I can't get them to work together.They are fighting fot the same DMA and IRQ.Even if I setup the IRQ's mannually and their's no conflict.Only one sound-card shows up in the Multimedia window.
Plese Help
Many thanks in advance
Terrence

Re: Can two Sound sards work on the same Computer?

: Hello everyone
: I have installed a second sound cards so I can have two channels.One for communicating online with Roger Wilco and the other for having Flight simulator sound in the background.The maim sound card is a Creative awe64 soundblaster and the other is a AdLib MSC 16 PnP V3SB but I can't get them to work together.They are fighting fot the same DMA and IRQ.Even if I setup the IRQ's mannually and their's no conflict.Only one sound-card shows up in the Multimedia window.
: Plese Help
: Many thanks in advance
: Terrence

THESE TWO WILL NOT WORK TOGETHER. WHAT YOU COULD DO IS INSTALL A PATCH BAY, WHICH WOULD REROUTE YOUR SIGNAL. ANY MORE QUERYS GIVE IS A SHOUT.

Re:

If you know your Bios, get there & try auto dma. The only sure way in windose is to get 2 cards of the same brand and be sure to seek help from the brand's site (do that first). Linux should be smoother with this kind of connection...

Re:Can two Sound sards work on the same Computer?

Thanks Kozida
So this is my problem,I need to have the same brand of sound cards.What luck of mys'
Thanks Very much for the Advice
Terrence

: If you know your Bios, get there & try auto dma. The only sure way in windose is to get 2 cards of the same brand and be sure to seek help from the brand's site (do that first). Linux should be smoother with this kind of connection...

Re:Can two Sound sards work on the same Computer?

I have a sb live and an sw1000xg they seem to work pretty well together as long as ther are no conflicting irq settings

SVQ to MIDI

Does anyone here knows which software do I need to use to convert svq to midi ??
thanks

g-force

Is it possible to run g-force on windows ME?

Re:

Try it & tell me too. I'll upgrade some day...

Recording streaming MP3s from mp3.com

is there any way to record the kind of streaming mp3s from mp3.com? ive tried everything i can fin; StreamRipper, total recorder, cybercorder... nothing works. anybody have any advice???????????????????????????????????????????????

Re: Recording streaming MP3s from mp3.com

Total Recorder works, check your settings...

please help!!! ugggh

i ask yet again can anyone put me on to a program like
playstations music 2000 but for macs please help im going nuts here thanks in advance

I don't know Music 2000...

But I have played with the first one and I think it's a sort of ready made music program for begineers that want to sound like they made the whole tune themselves rather than cut and paste a ton of music that people have already made.

I have heard of some mac progs that will do this although rarely walk down that road of musical creation. I think Phrazer was an Acid/Music2000 type of program although I have no experience with it. Groovemaker 2 is as well I think.

If you want to get more in depth with a music making program, then download a demo of Reason. It's more work than you may be expecting to have to do to make your own tunes but you should explore the idea as it will lead to a more person and individual music making experience.

Steve...R

Ess Drivers? Sound? Direct X 8

I installed a new sony CD RW drive on my compaq and it updated to directX ver8. After that many .WAV file did not operate, or at least that's when I began to notice they weren't working. Now if I use the sound recorder to play these .WAV files, they will not play at all. Sound is intermittant, working only sparatically. I thought is was because Real Player associated itself to these files so I associated them back to sound recorder. Still no work. Any one have a similar problem?

Re: Ess Drivers? Sound? Direct X 8

Reinstall soundcard drivers.

Re: Ess Drivers? Sound? Direct X 8

I did that to no avail.

A music Software ?

i need something from records every instruments and use each one separately

Re:

You need multi-channel soundcard & Cubase 32 or Cakewalk.
These are the minimum requirements for a decent recording.