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Re: Raising Vocals
This is the top question on this board it seems and it's been answered a million times down this page.
Despite the fact that there are applications around that claim they can do this, they can't. It's impossible at this stage to completely remove a vocal from a stereo/mono mix and leave everything else in tact. Some of the programs go some way towards it if you are lucky to have a track that has centralised vocals (without reverb) and all the other instruments panned toward the left and right. I have heard very very few tracks recorded like this other than some from pre-70's albums.
Best thing to do is, download one of the applications, plug in you song and realise how far they haven't got with this impossible task.
Cya
Steve...R
Re: Raising Vocals
: This is the top question on this board it seems and it's been answered a million times down this page.
: Despite the fact that there are applications around that claim they can do this, they can't. It's impossible at this stage to completely remove a vocal from a stereo/mono mix and leave everything else in tact. Some of the programs go some way towards it if you are lucky to have a track that has centralised vocals (without reverb) and all the other instruments panned toward the left and right. I have heard very very few tracks recorded like this other than some from pre-70's albums.
: Best thing to do is, download one of the applications, plug in you song and realise how far they haven't got with this impossible task.
: Cya
: Steve...R
I know you can't remove the vocals from a stereo mix. That's not my question. My question is to raise the vocals so that you hear mainly the vocals without the music(the music is much lower). I've seen this done and I've seen an explanation on how to do it from a user on this site. Dave
Okay...
Right... I am used to answering the 'how do I remove the vocals' questions, sorry.
What you could do is use a series of Eq's to remove key parts of the bandwidth. Although there are some common frequencies related to vocals and other instruments, many mix's are different so take these as a guide.
I usually do my major Eq'ing from within Logic Audio on the track mixer as I can use so many eq's inline that it always seems to suffice. I don't know what software you have so I will pretend you have Logic audio.
This is a quick guide as I don't wish to go on about Eq theory, it's largely a personal thing. Get yourself a parametric Eq together inline with the stereo track. Select the "Q" (bandwidth) fader and make sure it's running somewhere around 100hz either side of the chosen frequency. Adjust the cut/boost of that frequency so it's around +10db. The thing to do now is sweep through the whole track with the frequency adjustment so you hear the selected bandwidth adjusting within the track. Once you get past 400hz you should hear a bringing forth of the vocals around 5/600-800hz. This is a well adjusted area for vocals and good for either bringing them forth in the mix or back as the case may be. Keep going through 1kz-1.5khz and notice the sharp frequencies coming through. Depending on the track, this may bring forward cymbals and sharper instruments, remember where it happens. Go through to 2khz - 3khz and notice the snare drum and some cymbals increasing in their prominence. Continue on listening to the effect that the eq boost is having on the vocals at all times. Make some notes. After around 8khz, you notice that a lot of the eq change to the vocals is cosmetic. Notice the sybilence around 6-8khz.
Once you have established where the vocals main areas of eq prominence lie, go and start inserting more and more parametric eq's around these areas and boosting and cutting according to your ears. If you find that you have lost it at any time, don't be afraid to start from the beginning rather than trying to patch it up. Boost around the 600-800hz range as this is a good one for vocals. Try cutting out around 60-400hz as although there is a lot of vocal information from 100hz upwards, a lot of the meat of the drums and the bass reside there and you could essentially increase the vocals by reducing the other instruments.
Eq is a strange but very powerful beast. An experienced eq'er can make a mix and a novice can ruin one. Always remember when eqing to not over do it unless you feel you really have to. Concentrate on the 'Mid' frequencies first as this is where you can most easily make or break a mix. Although we hear from 20hz-20,000hz, don't be under the impression that mid frequencies are therefore around 10,000hz. Hi frequencies start around 1-1.5Khz so be careful what you adjust below there...!
Cya
Steve...
Re: Okay...
: Right... I am used to answering the 'how do I remove the vocals' questions, sorry.
: What you could do is use a series of Eq's to remove key parts of the bandwidth. Although there are some common frequencies related to vocals and other instruments, many mix's are different so take these as a guide.
: I usually do my major Eq'ing from within Logic Audio on the track mixer as I can use so many eq's inline that it always seems to suffice. I don't know what software you have so I will pretend you have Logic audio.
: This is a quick guide as I don't wish to go on about Eq theory, it's largely a personal thing. Get yourself a parametric Eq together inline with the stereo track. Select the "Q" (bandwidth) fader and make sure it's running somewhere around 100hz either side of the chosen frequency. Adjust the cut/boost of that frequency so it's around +10db. The thing to do now is sweep through the whole track with the frequency adjustment so you hear the selected bandwidth adjusting within the track. Once you get past 400hz you should hear a bringing forth of the vocals around 5/600-800hz. This is a well adjusted area for vocals and good for either bringing them forth in the mix or back as the case may be. Keep going through 1kz-1.5khz and notice the sharp frequencies coming through. Depending on the track, this may bring forward cymbals and sharper instruments, remember where it happens. Go through to 2khz - 3khz and notice the snare drum and some cymbals increasing in their prominence. Continue on listening to the effect that the eq boost is having on the vocals at all times. Make some notes. After around 8khz, you notice that a lot of the eq change to the vocals is cosmetic. Notice the sybilence around 6-8khz.
: Once you have established where the vocals main areas of eq prominence lie, go and start inserting more and more parametric eq's around these areas and boosting and cutting according to your ears. If you find that you have lost it at any time, don't be afraid to start from the beginning rather than trying to patch it up. Boost around the 600-800hz range as this is a good one for vocals. Try cutting out around 60-400hz as although there is a lot of vocal information from 100hz upwards, a lot of the meat of the drums and the bass reside there and you could essentially increase the vocals by reducing the other instruments.
: Eq is a strange but very powerful beast. An experienced eq'er can make a mix and a novice can ruin one. Always remember when eqing to not over do it unless you feel you really have to. Concentrate on the 'Mid' frequencies first as this is where you can most easily make or break a mix. Although we hear from 20hz-20,000hz, don't be under the impression that mid frequencies are therefore around 10,000hz. Hi frequencies start around 1-1.5Khz so be careful what you adjust below there...!
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: Cya
: Steve...
Thanks alot Steve. You've been a great help. Dave
ASX
I'm loking for a shareware, that can convert a asx audio file to wav or mp3 audio file.
Thank for your help
Re: ASX
<a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/TotalRecorder/">Use this...</a>
: I'm loking for a shareware, that can convert a asx audio file to wav or mp3 audio file.
: Thank for your help
Audiogalaxy down?
Hi folks,
does anyone know what's wrong with audiogalaxy. It's been a couple of days that I cannot access the webpage anymore, saying it might be too busy or even the server is down. Any news on this? TXS
Re: Audiogalaxy down?
it's always down,or goes down in the middle of a download.
do you have the latest satellite?
Convert Impulse Tracker archives to other format
i have made my music in this format and i want to create a CD with it, but i need to convert de format of the files.
Can you help me?
Re: Convert Impulse Tracker archives to other format
What about <a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/awave_win95/">this one</a>..
: i have made my music in this format and i want to create a CD with it, but i need to convert de format of the files.
: Can you help me?
Sound Blaster Mac
G4 CD-RW not recognized after installation of Sound Blaster. Any Suggestions?
Weird...
That's a weird one. Try starting the mac with everything but the essential extensions switched on. If you go to extensions manager in the control panels menu and select "OS base" this stops everything other than the system extensions from loading, reboot and see if you have a problem with the CDRW again. I suspect the SoundBlaster wont work though as you have more than likely turned off it's extension.. Worth a go to see if it's an extensions conflict.
Do you have the latest SB drivers?? worth a check also just incase it's a recognised bug...
Other than that, I highly recommend visiting http://dealchat.com/mac/ as there are some top mac trouble shooters there. Check back for an answer soon though as there is a new message every few minutes it's seems. It's easy to lose your message...!
Good luck
Steve...R
WINDOWS ME
Do these downloads work for windows ME also?
Re: WINDOWS ME
: Do these downloads work for windows ME also?
I've downloaded a lot of software from this site and I have Windows ME. Yes they will work. Every once in a great while you may find a program that doesn't get along with Windows ME, but most of them work just fine.
Re: WINDOWS ME
There are a lot of programs on this site that are fine with ME. You should just look at the systems requirements of the software if you're worried.
Lisa
: : Do these downloads work for windows ME also?
: I've downloaded a lot of software from this site and I have Windows ME. Yes they will work. Every once in a great while you may find a program that doesn't get along with Windows ME, but most of them work just fine.
Re: WINDOWS ME/98/95
Windows me is just as compatable with software as Windows 98 is. There really isn't anything out there that works on windows 98, but doesn't work on Millenium Edition. They are practicly the same OS with only one exeption of 98 being better.
Music Software
I purchased music software Music@Passport 4 or 5 years ago. I use it for creating sheet music by entering the notes from the keyboard.
I lost track of the company and would like to know if anyone is still selling a package that would read the .mus or .m@p files I have created.
Slow speed burning
Is there a difference in sound quality if a disc is recorded at 1X instead of 12X?
Re: Slow speed burning
None at all.
Andy
finding
I want to obtain one MIDISOFT DESKTOP SHEET MUSIC
VERSION 2.00 OR more.
Please someone can help me.
Thanks, God Blessyou.
Go here...
http://www.siia.net/piracy/
DWinterbottom
transposing music
Is there anyone who could transpose a piece of music which has been written out very clearly
Re: transposing music from Tenor Sax to Eflat Alto
: Is there anyone who could transpose a piece of music which has been written out very clearly
Re: transposing music
Hello Phyllis. I may be able to help you. What type of score is it (piano/vocal/instrumental)? What is the length of the score (number of measures)? Is this score an original composition? Email me directly and I will be happy to discuss this with you.
who has the best price on Cool Edit Pro?
looking to buy Cool Edit Pro.
www.zzounds.com so far has the best price $279.
know of anywhere that can beat that?
thank you for you help.
Re: who has the best price on Cool Edit Pro?
That seems a bit high there. I think you should just stick with freeware and shareware editing programs. If you download the trial version of cool edit pro I am sure you can find a hack to get the full version free.
What software do I use to edit music from CD's?
This popular thread has been given its own page : What software do I use to edit music from CD's?
Need step by step WAV help
Record WAV files?...don't know the first thing. Send me to a good Help site.
Re: Need step by step WAV help
Oh where for art thou WAV?
Just download an audio editor like <a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/GoldWave/">Goldwave</a> or <a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Cool_Edit_2k/">Cool Edit 2000</a>.
Then plug a microphone into your soundcard, hit record on the audio editor and you're away.
Another good way (the best) of getting started is to download a WAV file, load it in the sound editor and then play with it. Chop up the sound and generally have fun with it. You'll find heaps of WAVs <a href="http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Multimedia/Audio/Archives/WAV/">here</a>
Lisa
: Record WAV files?...don't know the first thing. Send me to a good Help site.
How do i record a tape on to a cd??????????????
help me!!!!!!! i need help! my Grandfather and i are trying to figure out how to record a tape on to a cd so if you have n~e advice on how to do it it will be a big help to me thank you so much!
Re: convert audio tapes to CD - William 22:58:41 7/10/01 (0)
Look for the reply, "convert audio tapes to CD - William 22:58:41 7/10/01 (0)". That is one of the places where this question has been answered.
Re: How do i record a tape on to a cd??????????????
Have a look through the earlier postings (search the page for tape) and you will find that this question has been answered several times already.
Andy
recording
I'm trying to record sound from a mini disk player into my computer but soundforge or cool edit wont play the tracks,what am i doing wrong?
Re: recording
: hey i got a new sony mini disk player and i was wondering do i need a cd burner to downalod songs onto a mini disk or can i jsut donwlaod the songs on there like a mp3 player???????
please email me witht he answer
Re: recording
What are you doing? How are you connecting the minidisc player? What are you recording with?
It's difficult to pinpoint the exact problem without a bit more info.
Andy
tape loops
Could someone explain to me what a tape loop is?? I've noticed that lots of early industrial/experimental groups use them, like Einsturzende Neubauten/Coil/Psychic TV/etc, but I'm not clear on exactly what is entailed.
On top of that....
There is a VST plugin called Karlette that is a simulation of a tape loop machine, worth a look as it will give you a good idea of what they are about.
Also, there was a device called the Mellatron which was in many ways, the first keyboard sampler. It used a series of tape loops connected to different keys with recordings of choirs and strings. It was reportedly unreliable but quite impressive when it worked. Used extensively by people like Tony Banks from Genesis. There is a software synth, I don't recall the name of, that emulates the Mellatron. Go see...
Steve...R
The Mellotron Emulator
is called M-Tron
As for the Karlette: My experience with it is that it is just a stereo delay with four independent beat-syncable outputs. it is not a real tape looper as it does not repeat input infinitely, and it accepts new input at any time.
Hmmmm....
: As for the Karlette: My experience with it is that it is just a stereo delay with four independent beat-syncable outputs. it is not a real tape looper as it does not repeat input infinitely, and it accepts new input at any time.
It's about as close as i've seen on a computer though although the points have been noted. I got paid for a sound engineering job about 14 years ago with a echo box that for the life of me, can't remember the name of. It did accept new input at any time though and you could either lift the erase head off or leave it on, weird machine... Shame I don't have it now. I would have kept it if I had have known that they would generate so much interest among muso's.
Cya
Steve...R
Re: tape loops
A tape loop used to be just that - a loop of tape. Basically, you recorded the sound onto tape, chopped out (literally) the part you
wanted, then spliced the ends back together. What you ended up with was an endless tape which played the same sound over and over again.
Nowadays, electronics have made this technique redundant, as getting the splicing exactly right was tricky at the best of times.
Andy
Memorex Compact Discs
Hi, I just wanted to write you a letter saying how disapointed I am with your CD's. I bought a pack of fifty CD's(CD-R's) and not even a quater of them have worked when I have tried to use them. I have almost wasted my whole 50 pack and only 3 CD's have actually been able to be recorded on. I called my computer company and they said it is not my computer and that they have had many upset customers calling about the same problem. I guess I'm just curious to know why these are being sold to people if they don't work. I don't really expect anything to come of this letter except maybe my money back for your faulty CD's. I can be contacted at (425)770-0145. Thanks
Lindsay McCann
Re: Memorex Compact Discs
I am a novice at computer recording, but I too had problems with buffer overruns and failed burns using Memorex CD-Rs I use a Yamaha CRW 2100E burner. I stopped trying to burn at anything faster than 8X and have rarely had problems since
You really should be careful...
...about where you post your telephone number... In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the Memorex Help Line forum, but a lowly music forum where people come to ask and answer computer music related questions. How you got it confused with a company helpline I would love to know... hehe..
Whilst i'm here though, I will say that a lot of the problems related to burning CD's is related to most CDRW's themselves. It's only recently that BurnProof technology seems to be changing that and unless you spent a decent amount of money from a decent computer manufacturer, there is no guarantee that they haven't included a duffer of a CD burner. I have one that is years old and desperately unreliable that I saw being sold in a new computer recently. They were discontinued for reasons of unreliablity years ago, Ahem...
After saying that, there is no reason that it couldn't be the CD's themselves. Again, up until recently, it appeared that some CD manufacturers made blank CD's that worked better on some CDRW's than others. Although this doesn't let memorex off the hook, neither does it let the CDRW of the hook either.
It could be either so, for the shop that sold you the machine to tell you that it's not their machine is absurd. They know the problems with computer based CD burning as well as anyone... get back to them and don't take any lip... ;0)
Steve...R
Re: You really should be careful...
74 minute CD's actually have lower error rates than 80 minute CD's, because it is easier for CD players to read them. Also, most CDr disks have a recommended low-error write speed of 4X. There would be even less errors at 1X. You also must be sure to keep the disks free of dust and fingerprints BEFORE you use them. Some disks come with dust on them. Also, buffer errors are NOT due to the disks, but to low memory situations in your computer. Also, you must not subject the CD-writer to vibrations or power surges while it writes. So be careful if your refrigerator kicks on and off and don't touch the computer while it burns. For that matter, many CD-writers create their own vibrations and aren't really installed in a good way. This is why some companies make stand-alone CD-recorders and duplicators that don't need a computer. Beter CD-recorders have better resonance damping. And another thing, some CD-r's work just fine, but their reflective backing keeps flaking off. This is a BIG problem in every CD-r I have ever used, every brand.
Remember, commercial CD's are PRINTED, not RECORDED, hence the much much better error rates. Besides, the bad ones get thrown away before shipping to the record stores.
i want to be a dj
hi well just i want to say that i want to become a dj
well actually its difficult in pakistan to be but for
my hooby i just want to mix the songs and give him a beat ones hope you can understand it..
plz relpy soon and give me some instructions and links which i can easily download the softwere..
bye danish...
Re: i want to be a dj
Try using <a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Virtual_Turntables_win95/">Virtual Turntables</a>. You'll find lots of other programs in the <a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/win95/RE-MIXING_DJ/">Remixing/DJ section</a> of the site.
Lisa
: hi well just i want to say that i want to become a dj
: well actually its difficult in pakistan to be but for
: my hooby i just want to mix the songs and give him a beat ones hope you can understand it..
:
: plz relpy soon and give me some instructions and links which i can easily download the softwere..
: bye danish...
i want to be a dj
: hi well just i want to say that i want to become a dj
: well actually its difficult in pakistan to be but for
: my hooby i just want to mix the songs and give him a beat ones hope you can understand it..
:
: plz relpy soon and give me some instructions and links which i can easily download the softwere..
: bye danish...
Re: i want to be a dj
First you'll need some sample editing software, like Cool Edit Pro, or AcidWave. Then some mixing software (CoolEdit has a multi-track mixer, but I don't mix like that, but you can, if you want). Or you could use Buzz (it's not much of a GUI), or FruityLoops, or you could do some research and figure stuff out for yourself (you're going to have to research, anyway). Have fun.
: : hi well just i want to say that i want to become a dj
: : well actually its difficult in pakistan to be but for
: : my hooby i just want to mix the songs and give him a beat ones hope you can understand it..
: :
: : plz relpy soon and give me some instructions and links which i can easily download the softwere..
: : bye danish...
HISSING SOUND
KEEP GETTING A HISSING SOUND WHEN RECORDING FROM TAPE
TO CD
Re: HISSING SOUND
: KEEP GETTING A HISSING SOUND WHEN RECORDING FROM TAPE
: TO CD
Make sure you get the hottest signal going into your PC without clipping.
Also, check that you only have the line-in ticked in your recording options (right click on the speaker icon on your toolbar, then options/properties/recording) You might have hiss coming from another input so make sure you only tick the line-in.
Tape hiss is a pain but you should be able to get rid of most of it using noise-reduction which you'll find in most audio editors like Sound Forge/Cool Edit. There are few programs that get rid of tape hiss and LP crackle that you can download from this site but i cant remember what they are called.