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Re: using StarCD
You can try to download : http://www.fyang.com
A full featured AudioCD player with
very nice digital audio process.
Offers all the things you would expect
in a CD player plus many extra features:
10 bands graphical equalizer,Special
"Vocal cancel" ,"Key" and "Echo" functions,
CD grabber,Output digital audio from
CDROM to soundcard(for MD funs),
and Funny Star-like GUI.
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
what if you had the instrumental backing to a song and the song with vocals (ie the mission impossible theme with limp bizcuit, sp?) and inverted the phase of the instrumental track. wouldnt that in theory isolate the vocals.
could be making up stories, i was just curious though.
Ryan K
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Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
I should have known better but I just had to see foe myself if someone thought that this was possible. You really had me fooled there.
Seymourab
: As I've said many times before, it's simply not possible to selectively remove particular parts of a track - vocals or instruments. As for inverting the centre channel - what centre channel? Stereo consists of left and right channels, so ho do you get a centre channel from it, and what happens to any instruments that happen to be playing behind the vocalist?
: However, if someone would like to prove me wrong, and provide evidence of how this can be done, I'll eat my shoe.
:
: Andy
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
in joint stereo mp3s, there are 3 channels: left, right, and center.
the reason for the center channel is to hold the data that is similiar from both channels, cutting file size anywhere from 5/6 to 1/2 depending on the amount of similiarity. it is possible to extract this channel, leaving you only with what is left- or right-channel exclusive.
the software (to the best of my knowledge) to do this does not exist, but since the mp3 STANDARD includes 3 channels in this manner, writing software that does this should not be difficult.
I second the impossibility, BUT...
Hi,
Andy is right. Its not possible to remove the vocals
only leaving the backing music or vise versa. The
reason being that the entire frequency range from the vocals
and the other instruments are mixed together. However,
if while the song was recorded and mixed in the first
time, removing the vocals was taken into consideration,
then they could've seperated the frequency by instrument frequency range type
or atleast having the vocal frequencies unique and seperate, so
cutting it off later will only take off the vocals
and leave everything else SEMI-untouched. I would
imagine that preparing for such flexibility during
recording is not easy, and most songs dont have such
flexibility.
Hish
I understand...........
I agree that you can't entirely remove vocals or music or visa-versa, but there must be software out there
that can dampen or suppress those frequencies, giving the appearance
of removal?
I second the impossibility, BUT...
Hi,
Andy is right. Its not possible to remove the vocals
only leaving the backing music or vise versa. The
reason being that the entire frequency range from the vocals
and the other instruments are mixed together. However,
if while the song was recorded and mixed in the first
time, removing the vocals was taken into consideration,
then they could've seperated the frequency by instrument frequency range type
or atleast having the vocal frequencies unique and seperate, so
cutting it off later will only take off the vocals
and leave everything else SEMI-untouched. I would
imagine that preparing for such flexibility during
recording is not easy, and most songs dont have such
flexibility.
Hish
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
well....ofcourse, with the exception of recordings made in the 50's, 60's, and early 70's, where often the music bed was recorded on the left channel and vocals were dumped to the right channel. If you turn the balance nob due left, you get just the music, due right you get just the vocals. However, this doesn't help you much I'm sure, as you're probably not isolating too many recordings that were made in the 50's and 60's are you? Today's recordings of course involve a more complex environment, where the rhythm guitar might be at 10:00 o'clock, the keys at 2:00, backing vocals at 8 and 4 and lead vocals doubled at 11:00 and 1:00. No way to do much except if you have a 48 band (or more) equalizer where you can really get in there and tweek out the frequency's where most bass lines range, guitar parts, keys, etc. and try to isolate the vocals. The only thing is, is the guitar spends some time in the same range as most vocals, as do the keys and bits and pieces of the drums. So you'll never be able to completely isolate those vocals unless the producer of the material engineered the recording from the get-go to meet the specific needs such as panning from full compliment to vocal-isolation-abnormality-spanscanning-for the man-handling of an accapella prospectism - thingy ma-jig-a la manipulationalism. Uh Houston, we got a problem.
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
: As I've said many times before, it's simply not possible to selectively remove particular parts of a track - vocals or instruments. As for inverting the centre channel - what centre channel? Stereo consists of left and right channels, so ho do you get a centre channel from it, and what happens to any instruments that happen to be playing behind the vocalist?
: However, if someone would like to prove me wrong, and provide evidence of how this can be done, I'll eat my shoe.
:
: Andy
There is a user by the name of Me The Dumb III that said it WAS possible and to ignore anyone who said it wasn't. Domenic
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
: As I've said many times before, it's simply not possible to selectively remove particular parts of a track - vocals or instruments. As for inverting the centre channel - what centre channel? Stereo consists of left and right channels, so ho do you get a centre channel from it, and what happens to any instruments that happen to be playing behind the vocalist?
: However, if someone would like to prove me wrong, and provide evidence of how this can be done, I'll eat my shoe.
:
: Andy
There is a user by the name of Me The Dumb III that said it WAS possible and to ignore anyone who said it wasn't. Domenic
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
Andy P is absolutely right. You who ask this question should have some basic knowledge of stereo audio.
Atan
Re: FOR THE LAST TIME...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!
: As I've said many times before, it's simply not possible to selectively remove particular parts of a track - vocals or instruments. As for inverting the centre channel - what centre channel? Stereo consists of left and right channels, so ho do you get a centre channel from it, and what happens to any instruments that happen to be playing behind the vocalist?
: However, if someone would like to prove me wrong, and provide evidence of how this can be done, I'll eat my shoe.
:
: Andy
In fact, there are some utilities that will try to remove the vocals from stereo recordings or output. However not by inverting the center channel because stereo has no center channel, but by inverting the phase of the left and right channels in relation to each other. The process has limited affect in most cases and it destroys stereo imaging. AnalogX Vocal Remover http://www.analogx.com/ is one such example.
To Andy
As a follow up,
The centre channel is any information which is of equal volume on each side. So this is ususally the lead vocals and the lead solos. Unfortunately, some effects are panned or the lead vocal is off centre and it renders vocal stripping fairly useless, but most of the time it is great and you get the backing vocals as they are mostly off centre.
Andre
Try boiling the shoes and serving them hot which the hottest chilli sauce for maximum effect.
To Andy
Hi
I have never said that you can remove the backing track, but you can remove the lead vocal. I will send you the program if you give me you email. its only 900k zipped. I will include instructions, and as you will see it has a selection in effects called "remove vocals". The program is Goldwave from www.Goldwave.com So you can get it from them if you like but pleaase dont say you cant do it as Goldwave prove you can so get your shoe ready.
Re: To Andy
I've already tried Goldwave, and it 'does' remove the vocals, as you quite rightly pointed out. However, my experience with it is that not only does it remove the vocals, it also removes most of the rest of the music as well.
Let's be honest here, there is NO software out there that can selectively remove vocals without having a serious effect on the rest of the music.
Andy
P.S. My shoes are staying put for the time being.
P.P.S. If you have a track that shows Goldwing working well, let me know so I can have a listen to the end result.
Re: To Andy
how to use Gold wave to remover the vocal track???
thank you
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mastering
HEEELLLPPP,Brothers and sisters. I have mixed my music, and all I have left to do is to master it. I have wavelab and have browsed hints & tips books but I am still none the wiser. I am also new to cubase so still do not know how to use properly. All I need is for someone to tell me how to make my tunes sound consistent no matter what it is getting played on. This message will not self destruct but I might AAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHh.
Re: mastering
: HEEELLLPPP,Brothers and sisters. I have mixed my music, and all I have left to do is to master it. I have wavelab and have browsed hints & tips books but I am still none the wiser. I am also new to cubase so still do not know how to use properly. All I need is for someone to tell me how to make my tunes sound consistent no matter what it is getting played on. This message will not self destruct but I might AAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHh.
I suggest you download <a href="http://www.hitsquad.com/cgi/htdig/htsearch.cgi?config=htdig&restrict=%2Fsmm%2Fprograms%2F&exclude=&method=and&format=builtin-long&words=t-racks+24">T-Racks</a> and try it because
it's both easy to use and produces really good
results.
Jason.
mastering made easy
lol
well the idea is pretty simple. You put your finished track through a compressor + an EQ and that's it. Ofcourse there is a whole lot more to it than that but there you have the essentials!
With the EQ you want to boost the high+bass frequencies - this will 'sweeten' your mix. With the comp try a ratio of 2 - 3:1 + a threshold of 8db. With these settings alter the gain so that on a loud part of your track there is no difference heard with comp switched on + off. Then on a quiet section switching from off to on should produce a noticable vol boost. In Cubase you may want to stick on a little bit of the stereo enhancer/spread. There are also many mastering plugins which all do other subtle little things but an EQ + a comp should do 80% of the job. You really need to read a bit + practice mastering then listening back on a stereo/in the car to see if u doing it right - jon
Converting bitrate of mp3 files
For my portable mp3 player I'm happy with 64kbps.
Original conversions from CDA sound fine.
But when I convert 128/160/192 kbps mp3 files to WAV
and back to mp3 the quality understandably sucks.
Is there a way to convert mp3s directly without
the intermediate WAV ? Would it matter ?
Is there a better formula ? ie only cut by half
or third ?
Re: Converting bitrate of mp3 files
: For my portable mp3 player I'm happy with 64kbps.
: Original conversions from CDA sound fine.
: But when I convert 128/160/192 kbps mp3 files to WAV
: and back to mp3 the quality understandably sucks.
: Is there a way to convert mp3s directly without
: the intermediate WAV ? Would it matter ?
: Is there a better formula ? ie only cut by half
: or third ?
Download CDex which is freeware.
http://www.cdex.n3.net/
Under Settings in the Options Menu, set the default Bitrate for the LAME encoder. Whatever you want to reduce the Bitrate to in other words. Set the quality to Very High. Then use the MPEG to MPEG option under the Convert Menu. LAME by the way, is the best MP3 encoder in my opinion. Freeware, commercial or otherwise. And it's freeware as well. This method while certainly more convenient than converting to WAV first and then back to MP3, won't be an improvement in quality. Even programs that can convert directly from MP3 to MP3 still decode the file internally.
Re: Converting bitrate of mp3 files
i don't know about direct mp3 'down rating' but why not try another wav/mp3 converter some are much better than others.
new drums for fruity loops
how do i add a new drumkitto fruity loops?
is it possible?
thanks
re:
Open the fruity loops folder, then the "samples" folder, then create a new folder an put inside your samples. that's all
Re: new drums for fruity loops
Yeah, it's easy. All you do is make a new folder in the fruityloops directory (I usually put it under \samples\wav\) and then put the drum samples in there. It should now be selctable from the sample browser. As for making it selctable from the files> drumkit menu, I don't know!
CDG Label Maker Software
Is there any software to create CDG labels that will lookup disk number from a database and create label with song titles?
Re: CDG Label Maker Software
: Is there any software to create CDG labels that will lookup disk number from a database and create label with song titles?
Re: CDG Label Maker Software
: : Is there any software to create CDG labels that will lookup disk number from a database and create label with song titles?
Yes, Karaoke Song List Creator from www.airwer.com will create cdg labels and covers.
Re: CDG Label Maker Software
: : Is there any software to create CDG labels that will lookup disk number from a database and create label with song titles?
MusicBooks Deluxe will give you a playlist IN ORDER from the disc number to make a karaoke BOOK but you may also cut and paste the text into an exhisting label software program to make a label I suppose if you would like to... Of course making COPIES of CDG's is NOT LEGAL and you should be informed in case you didn't know that.
is trhere a way to use vst fx plugs on what's playing
that's it if anybody knows about a software that takes vst effects on whatever sound that is playing on my cumputer
please e-mail me
Re;How can I find out how to use VST plugin Midi Instruments?
: that's it if anybody knows about a software that takes vst effects on whatever sound that is playing on my cumputer
: please e-mail me
Re: is trhere a way to use vst fx plugs on what's playing
or a way to use spin audio vst-dx wrapper lite on direct sound output(like on winamp or on microsoft wave recorder
try a VST sequencer
something like cubasis, music centre pro etc will enable u to load a track + apply FX to it. There are many around and some freeware no doubt.
Re: try a VST sequencer
: something like cubasis, music centre pro etc will enable u to load a track + apply FX to it. There are many around and some freeware no doubt.
is there a keyword to find those freeware easyly
what source material??
if it's mp3 tracks Winamp takes audio plugins i think. If it's a guitar/mic you'll want an audio sequencer which wil give u live monitoring. There are also dedicated software guitar fx boxes.
Re: what source material??
realy , what i need is to be able to use kinda any sound source (with sb live)
to put fx like orange vocoder over a song or even on the window error ding
none of my audio plays in windows but it plays in dos!
Hi
None of my audio plays in windows but it plays in dos.
media player shows its playing, but no sound plays.
It does in dos though
bye
Re: none of my audio plays in windows but it plays in dos!
weird. i dunno a thing bout dos. have u tried a few windows programs?? maybe u need to activate something in bios??- usually entered by holding down delete key on booting up.
MP3 Downloads
Is there any tricks to avoid downloading messy or incmplete MP3's. If not, are there any good software programs that can clean them up.
Re: MP3 Downloads
what dl program r u using???
in bearshare u can listen to whateve u have dled already. so after getting 5% have a listen to the quality. If u check file size compared to others of same song u should see most r the same size - take that to be the full track size.
MPEG into TV ?
I would like to know how to transfer my mpeg files into my TV ( to register my videos on video K7 ) ? What shareware can i use ?
Thanks
connecting a midi keyboard to a PC
I have only owned a PC for about a month. I had been using a Macintosh. The Sony PC doen't have a gameport--which I now know is what I need to connect a midi piano to it. So will be buying a new sound card for the PCI slot. Will the $50 16 bit SoundBlaster card work? All I want to do is play songs on the piano keyboard and have it written as music score with the music notation software I plan to buy. Up til now I just plugged the midi piano into the modem serial port of the Mac and setup was complete-- but I want to switch over to the PC.
I have also heard that a midi interface box is one way to go, but doesn't that also need a gameport to plug into? I do have headphone,line-in and microphone ins on the PC. Does the adjacent 9 pin serial port have anything to do with the sound card and making music with a PC? Midi files do play just fine on the internal Micorsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth(whatever that is).
Thanks for any advice.
Re: connecting a midi keyboard to a PC
hello Diane,
yes a SB LIve! card will work perfectly for what u want to do. Many pro musicians use the Live! card it is very well suited to PC music making. Not only can u plug in midi keyboard via it's game port it also comes with a built in synth with an excellent GM Midi soundset + will have superior audio quality compared to your present card. There are also high quality internal FX on the SB Live!
An external box may plug into a USB port or perhaps the parallel printer port. But for the price a new PCI SB with it's sounds + high quality audio is the way to go. Good luck!
Re: connecting a midi keyboard to a PC
I want o do this,. I have the equipment but dont know what lead i need to connect. I have a casio keyboard, and an SB Live! card on a Dell machine. Any advise?
CASSETE
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO RECORD FROM MY COMPUTER TO A CASSETE TAPE, IF THERER IS CAN SOMEONE PLEASE E-MAIL ME AND TELL ME HOW TO DO IT??????
Re: CASSETE
: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO RECORD FROM MY COMPUTER TO A CASSETE TAPE, IF THERER IS CAN SOMEONE PLEASE E-MAIL ME AND TELL ME HOW TO DO IT??????
Easiest way for me is to place a mike in front of computer speakers and adjust accordingly....it is very easy to control equalizing by then recording again to another cassette...I do a lot of this and have found this to be best for me..especially if I want to have some control over balance. good luck
Re: CASSETE
: : I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY TO RECORD FROM MY COMPUTER TO A CASSETE TAPE, IF THERER IS CAN SOMEONE PLEASE E-MAIL ME AND TELL ME HOW TO DO IT??????
: Easiest way for me is to place a mike in front of computer speakers and adjust accordingly....it is very easy to control equalizing by then recording again to another cassette...I do a lot of this and have found this to be best for me..especially if I want to have some control over balance. good luck
No there is a better way.. If you have a double ended lead (a one where both ends are the same) and put an adaptor on onew of the end so that it fits the computer head phone socket. Then put the other end (the bigger one) into the microphone socket o your tape player.
Re: CASSETE
yes second idea is great i do by this.
If you have a double ended lead (a one where both ends are the same) and put an adaptor on onew of the end so that it fits the computer head phone socket. Then put the other end (the bigger one) into the microphone socket o your tape player.
Cubase
I just bought a Sound Blaster Platinum card to do some music recording(multitracking) there are no instuction manuals included. Whats up with that crap! Can anybody direct me to the proper sources?